2022 - Picked my first..................

Picked my first ?Tayberry or Thornless Loganberry? Its ancestry is lost in the mists of time. All I know is that it send up long shoots, maybe 10-15' long, that I mean to tie to supports but usually forget until its too late (like now).

Ooer missus, my tayberry,  very prettily decorated with a little bag over its one maybe two fruit is only 18" tall.  I wonder if it will end up like yours. It's neighbour the blackberry thug will have to watch out.